The dreamfeed is the feed that you give baby before you go to bed. It is the feed right after baby's bedtime feed when he is already asleep and in bed for the night. He's asleep 'dreaming' during this feed.
Other common names for the dreamfeed:
Late-evening feed (Babywise),
the 10 pm-11 pm feed (Gina Ford),
or, for short, the df
Why should I do a dreamfeed?
The df, along with evening cluster feedings (when appropriate) help to "tank up" baby before bed to help him sleep longer at night. It also helps by matching up baby's longer stretch of sleep with your longer stretch of sleep so you can be better rested.
So, for example, if baby used to sleep a 5 hour stretch between 7-12 and you go to bed at 11, that would be 1 hour sleep for you before the first night feed. With the dreamfeed, you would feed baby at say, 10:30, go to bed at 11 yourself, then get an almost 5 hour stretch of sleep yourself before waking up to feed baby. Seems a little too good to be true, huh?
The dreamfeed can also be helpful with young baby growth spurts to get some extra calories in to prevent further night wakings.
Why should I NOT do a dreamfeed?
Well, obviously if it doesn't work don't do it (see more about this below). That really isn't what I'm trying to talk about here though. I wanted to address that some experts do not recommend a df (i.e. The Baby Sleep Solution
). They feel it hinders baby's ability to sleep through the night at an earlier age by disrupting baby's natural rhythm.What is the best time to do a dreamfeed?
Most experts suggest you do the df between 10 and 11, depending on how long you stay up and how baby responds (this is with a 7 am wake up). A too late of df can lead to fitful sleep with more night wakings and an early morning wake up. Plus, it encourages a baby to eat more during the night which is the opposite of what we are trying to do here. If you are doing a df too late and baby is sleeping great then you might not want to change anything. If baby isn't sleeping perfectly and the df is late, try slowly moving it to an earlier time.
Something else to keep in mind with the df is how long it has been since baby's last meal. You want baby to be hungry for the df so he will take a full meal, have a full tummy and be more likely to give you a long stretch of sleep after. You also want baby to be well rested from sleep the last couple hours. A well rested and hungry baby will eat quickly and eat well.
At the same time, babies go into lighter sleep about 6 and 9 hours after falling asleep. If you give the df, this will probably be 6-9 hours after. This means that baby will probably be going into light sleep around 4-5 am. This is usually just fine, but when babies go through their phase of early morning waking and playing around 5-6 months of age you are setting it up for their light sleep during this time. By moving the df time around you can sometimes stop these early morning play periods (sometimes lasting 1-2 hours!). I suggest moving it earlier if baby can go that long without food. If you move it later kids may wake up a bit later and play still, and they will have an even harder time falling back to sleep as it is even closer to their normal morning wake up time.
How do I give the dreamfeed?
The Baby Whisperer suggests giving the df while baby is still asleep, dreaming away. She suggests you leave the light off and do not have any talking or any other sort of stimulation. Baby should be so relaxed that burping after the feeding may not even be needed, especially with older babies and breastfed babies.
I personally always changed baby's diaper during the df when he was a newborn and eating often at night. I never like leaky diapers (umm, who does?), but I especially don't like them during my one long stretch of sleep at night! Just make sure to change the diaper near the beginning of the feeding so baby is relaxed and ready for bed near the end of the feeding.
I also always burp with younger babies. I really think they need it. I just try to mostly finish up the feeding, burp really well, then do the last tiny bit of the feeding followed by little to no burping.
Some babies do better when woken up completely for the df. Sometimes it is the only way they will eat, and sometimes it simply helps them sleep better at night and wake up later in the morning.
Gina Ford suggests you keep baby up for approximately 45-60 minutes during the df for the first 2-4 months of his life or until he is regularly sleeping until the desired morning wake time (at which time you slowly decrease the wake time at the df). Ford believes that failing to keep baby awake at this time is one of the main causes of early morning awakenings, especially once night feeds are dropped. I haven't followed this advice, but it's always worth a shot if you are having issues with early morning wakings and are doing the dreamfeed.
How to do the dreamfeed with a bottle:
When you use a bottle you can wiggle the nipple in baby's mouth to activates the sucking reflex. Milk also drips out of most bottles simply by holding them upside down which encourages baby to eat. Don't let too much milk come out before baby starts sucking or he may start to gag on it. Make sure you feed baby at an angle like you would during the day.
How to do the dreamfeed while breastfeeding:
You can do the dream feed while breastfeeding, but it often a bit harder, and sometimes almost impossible with some babies. You can stroke baby's bottom lip with a pacifier, your finger, or your breast to get his sucking reflex going. You can also try to express some milk into baby's mouth to get him interested in eating. Many moms (myself included) will pump and then feed baby by a bottle. Baby often eats more food and more easily this way. Plus, it gives dad a chance to feed baby, gives baby practice with the bottle, and lets you go to sleep a few minutes earlier.
How much do I feed baby for the dream feed?
Feed baby as much as she'll eat. The more the better when she is young. When she is older you may want to slowly decrease how much she is eating. More on that on dropping the dreamfeed.
Does the dream feed work for everyone?
I bet you aren't surprised that my answer to this is no. Nothing works with everyone! Some babies sleep horribly if you give them a df. It really messes up their natural sleep rhythms. You will have to try it and see what happens. Remember to try it consistently for at least a few days before deciding it doesn't work.
Starting late
Start it and see what happens. You may need to do it for several days before your baby (and you!) benefit from it. Yes, I suggest keeping at it even if baby sleep worse at first because this is the case with many babies. If they continue to sleep worse then I would work on the timing of the dream feed. If things still do not improve, then I would consider dropping the df. Take note that you are more likely to have issues and no luck with this the older baby is.
Need troubleshooting advice or DF dropping advice? Look at Dreamfeed troubleshooting tips and Dropping the dreamfeed.
Did you give a dream feed? How did it work for you?
Hi Rachel thank you for this post, I found it very helpful. I have been giving my 6 mth old baby a df since she was about a month old. She has had really bad reflux and I found this was usually one of the best feeds for her. At about 4 months she started to take less and less at the df so we thought she was ready to drop it but then started to increase again! I've also noticed that she seems to take the least amount of all her feeds at her 7am one when I would have thought she should be most hungry. She was sleeping through till 7 most days but in very recent weeks (which seemed to coincide with the introduction of solids) she has started to wake much earlier and has trouble settling herself back to sleep. I would really like to drop the df but I'm very nervous about doing so as I don't what the early morning wakings to get worse as I'm working hard to get her back to waking at a later time.
ReplyDeleteAny thoughts appreciated. Debs
Debs3693,
ReplyDeleteShe may have started to eat more at the df at 4 months due to a growth spurt.
If she takes a small amount at 7 am then it might mean that she really doesn't need the dream feed and isn't terribly hungry then from having it, even though it was a long time prior. Some babies are like this. She may also not be a baby that likes to eat tons first thing in the morning. One of my kids is like this.
I would let solids get more established before dropping the df. One, because issues have occured with the solids and her tummy may be having some issies. Another becauase soem babies have growth spurts rigth now and you want to know, with everything else going on, what is causing what. It will be confusing if you drop the dreamfeed and she continues to wake if she is now hungry, or it is the new problem, or something else. Does she seem to wake hungry in the morning right now, or is the waking not hungry in the morning happening right now? Just make sure to rule out hunger as an issue. With a df at this age it shouldn't be an issue. She should be able to get her food during the day.
I would consider a possible phase going on that will pass. I would also consider reevaluating naps. Make sure she isnt' getting too much day time sleep, the morning nap isn't too early, and that she is going to bed not too late (but also not soo early that it is causing her to wake early as it does with somes babies--you will have to test things to figure this out.
Awesome blog. :-) And helpful! :-D Visiting back from Measuring Flower. Liked you on FB and left you an Alexa ranking. Have a happy new year!
ReplyDeleteThanks for the visit and like Measuring flower!
ReplyDeleteRachel
I have done df 2x and both he has woken up earlier than I would like for both a middle of the night feed @ 1:30 am and morning wake time 5 :50am. I have been shooting for 7 am
ReplyDeleteCinthya,
DeleteIt isn't uncommon for it to make things worse before they get better so I suggest trying for a couple more days at least. With my oldest, he was worse for 3-4 days then he started to sleep longer. They have to get used to the new sleep/feed rhythm. With some babies it will never help and with others it will only help a tiny bit.
good luck!
Rachel
Good post and hoping this really works.My 11 wk old keeps waking 3 to 4 times at night.He gets sleepy by around 7 and I feed him , change diaper and he is asleep by 8.00 pm.wakes up at 10pm and then i feed him and he is up at exactly 12am.Feeds again and then he wakes up at 2.30am( feeds , sleeps ), wakes again at 4.30 and then at 6.30am ( yes every 2 hourly) and he feeds a lot during night time and is very sleepy.i just wish he would drop atleast one feed during night.
ReplyDeleteWhat should i do? use the baby whisperer or the dream feeding ( and what time should i use it)
Jnymom,
DeleteWork on getting full feeds at night. That may mean you will have to stay a bit more awake during the feeds to keep him awake.
The babywhisperer methods (eat/wake/slep routine, dream feed, ect, see posts) will very likely help things out. Also check out the top sleep tips for some suggestions that may help.
Hi Rachel,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I wanted to thank you for this awesome blog! I just found it and think it is of great help!
I'm a first time mom and I'm looking for some advice :)
I didn't know where to post for some advice on how to get back on track after an illness.
My almost-8-month-old son was a great sleeper from the beginning. He would sleep from 7:30pm to 7:30am since he was born without a df or nf. Then, when he was around 6 months we traveled out of the country to visit some relatives and stayed there for over 3 weeks. We tried to keep his routine as similar as home as possible. The problem was that he got sick. He got a really bad cold. Then, when we came back home he got an ear infection that lasted for 2 weeks :(
All this time, the only thing that helped him feel better when he woke up several times at night was nursing.
He's finally over the cold and ear infection. it's been over 2 weeks. However, he's having a lot of trouble sleeping at night. He's waking up several times. We've been able to get him back to sleep by just going in and patting his back. But there is at least once per night that he will wake up and won't go back to sleep or stop the loud crying until I nurse him. I tried the pu/pd and even doing a df but it actually seems to make it worse.
I really don't know what to do since he had always been such a great sleeper. Now I'm just lost :(
Any advice would be great!
Thanks so much, and sorry for the loooong post :)
Sandra,
DeleteMy guess is that with his history, he probably doesn't need that feed at night. But he is at an age where many babies get extra hungry so the need for one feed at night for a short time until he has more solids can't be ruled out.
You have a lot of progress in dropping things down to just one feed. If the short visit seem to be progressively helping, keep them up. Try to keep them short as possible. I suggest giving him a short time to settle when he wakes to see if he can drift off on his own and see if you can stay short enough with him if you do check on him that he goes back to sleep on his own.
I probably wouldn't introduce the df at this age. You are right that it likely hurts rather than helps. pu/pd sometimes make things worse at first, but eventually things improve. You may want to do an approach of weaning form the feed. Feed less time every few nights. If he is waking at a certain time (and wake to sleep doesn't help), you can moving back the feed a little bit every few nights.
Once you get things figured out, in the future try to have a plan for illness (which should involve comforting baby, but trying not to give more comfort than he needs to prevent too many new props) and what to do once illness is over (pat baby when he wakes, but only so long etc). You will have ups and downs along the way so you may have to jump back to similar methods like the ones you are doing every so often. Some babies regress more than others during disruptions and some babies do it more often. Hopefully you your little guy will keep sleeping good for you most of the time ;)
R,
ReplyDeleteWhat is your opinion on changing diapers after giving the dreem feed (obviously always doing number 2)? We have been doing it and our baby girl (almost 3 months) falls asleep directly after, but can be a bit cranky during the change. You wrote that you used to do it before finishing the feed
I always give the dreem feed at 10 pm and our baby recently started to sleep longer, 6 am the longest, but more often wakes up hungry between 05 - 05.30 am (no diaper change), but after then she lays in her bed talking for some 30-40 minutes before she falls asleep, but she always does fall asleep again. Should I still wake her up at 7 am to feed her? Sometimes she is happy to wake up but other times she is just so tired falling right back to sleep, should I insist on keeping her awake for a while?
Test,
DeleteI think you are fine to change a diaper whenever it works best at night for you. I try not to change more than I need to (so baby goes back to sleep more easily and so he gets used to sleeping more at this time) and I try to do it before baby goes down so he doesn't get worked up. But if it is working fine for you to change it right before she goes back to sleep, then no need to change things.
See this post
http://www.mybabysleepguide.com/2009/06/morning-wake-time-timing-morning-wake.html
I'd keep her up after a feed in the am, but it doesn't have to be for long. An hour including feed time is plenty (give or take what works for her).
hi Rachel,
ReplyDeleteI love this website! it is soooo helpful... I am a mother of 2. I fed my first son at night until past 2 years old and ended up having to go through some tearful nights to night-wean him. So the second time around, I am determined to deal with night waking earlier!
It's been difficult but my 8 months old second son is now on a routine (as per SOS) and goes down alone beautifully for naps and evening sleep. I dropped all night-feeds and am now resettling him when he wakes. His night is 7PM to 6.30AM and he doesn't seem too hungry in the morning. The reason for dropping all night feeds is as follows...
Twice I worked on having a dream feed at 10.30-11PM. He was initially waking up earlier in the evening and I resettled him until 10.30PM. After ~3 nights, he did not wake before 10.30PM and I gave him a dreamfeed - all seemed good. Then, after ~3 nights, he started waking up earlier and earlier in the evening. I did not manage to resettle him for 1-2hrs and ended up feeding him when it was 10.30PM. I triedd this twice! The same thing happened when I was only giving him one second feed at 3AM: it'd work a while and then he'd wake up earlier and earlier and I'd have trouble resettling him. My impression was that he was waking for a feed and not learning to resettle without a feed. So I decided to completely stop feeding him at night.
Now, instead of waking ~8 times a night, he's waking on average 2-3 times. For a few days, I just resettled him quickly by just shushing or sometime patting. But now, the first couple of times, I generally manage to resettle him quickly by just shushing or sometime patting and then there is a 1.5hrs waking! It can be at 11.30PM, 2AM, 3AM... He is teething but I give him paracetamol and put cream on his gums when I cannot resettle him. He ends up going to sleep in my arms and I put him back in bed (it takes 1.5hrs because any time I put him back in bed before that, he ends up waking up again). I don't pick him up unless he's crying desperately. Sometimes he wakes up around 5AM and is resettled relatively easily, sometimes he then sleeps through. I tried leaving him in the cot to resettle him last night and he cried desperately for 30 minutes and I ended up picking him up - it was a heart-breaking 30 minutes... At this point I am thinking I will try pick up-put down. I suspect it will take a very long time - he is a very primal willful little boy. It's possible he'll sleep better again when he's not teething but I would like him to learn to go back to sleep after I've given him some medicine (and waited 20 min for it to act).
I would like to know your opinion re dreamfeed in my circumstances - do you think mine is one of those rare cases when it doesn't work? Do you agree with what I have done re stopping feeds?
I would also appreciate any advice - I am running out of options...:-(
All the best,
Claire
Claire,
DeleteI think you are fine to have dropped the dream feed. He seems to be doing fine. Most kids on a routine I've worked with seem to do ok going this long at night at this age.
Pupd seems like a good idea right now. It seems that he will easily jump back into old habits and will also get progressively worse with sleep if you let him and if he has too much attention then. So try to be consistent in your methods and only give attention when he needs it. Don't rush in.
Rachel
Thanks Rachel!
ReplyDeleteThough I'd give you an update - pick up/put down worked wonders!! I started pick up/put down on a Monday, there were 2-3 very hard nights with ~1h30-2h of pu/pd... And then it dropped to 2x 30min. And on the Saturday, no pick ups, only patting and shushing!! And on the Sunday, he resettled alone and I only had to shush him once!! Since, he's been sick so is waking up a little more but I've almost not had to pick him up and when I do, he is happy with being put back down - it is fantastic! I love that it is a method that does not let the baby cry desperately. My son also seems happier and more reassured in his relationship with me now that I don't let him cry.
Thanks again. I am so grateful for your website, it is fantastic in that it puts all these various techniques in one place.
Best
Claire
That's wonderful to hear Claire. I'm so glad you've seen lots of progress and found a method that works great for you guys! I hope things keep going great!
DeleteRachel
Hi Rachel, I'm struggling with early morning wake up with my DD. She is 24 weeks old but there is no monkey business in the crib. She starts by talking to herself, then fussing, then full fledged crying. We sooth her after she escalates but never pick her up until 6am. We also keep her up until at least 7:30/8am so that's she not getting her last sleep cycle int he AM. She goes to sleep on her own between 7:15 and 7:45 every evening. She typically does a 6-8 hour stretch. Then we feed her once she's hit the 8 hour mark around 3:30 - 4:00 am. She's been waking up at 5am or 4:40 am pretty regularly. We follow a ESW routine during the day. Her naps aren't always at the same exact times, because she varies their lengths each day. We never keep her up for more than 2 hours at time. Do you think we'd benefit from a dream feed?
ReplyDeleteUnknown,
DeleteI highly doubt the dreamfeed would help with those early morning wake ups. Wake to sleep may help. Jump on over to the early morning waking post if you haven't already and see if something pops out there to you.
http://www.mybabysleepguide.com/2009/04/early-morning-awakenings.html
good luck!
Rachel
Hi Rachel. I have an 8 week old. He has pretty much set his own bedtime and has wanted to go to bed by 8pm since a few weeks old, he would then wake around 10ish for a feed. The last couple of weeks he has had enough by 7.30ish so we feed him then and put him to bed. He no longer wakes again at 10ish so I've tried to dream feed but it's hit and miss - sometimes he'll take an ounce, other nights 3 ounce. He then wakes anytime from 3.30 to 5.30 before going back to sleep until 7.30 ish. There doesn't seem to be any link between how much he is taking at the dream feed. Should we persevere with the dream feed at 10? Should I be waking him up at 10 so he takes more?? I know he can go 6 or 7 hours so I don't know why some nights he is waking around 3. We do a cluster feed at 5.30 then 7.30 although recently he is practically nodding off at 7.30 and hasn't taken much then either...I felt we were doing really well and now feel like I'm going backwards!!
ReplyDeleteCathy Sellars,
DeleteNo need to feel like you're going backwards, babies are always changing, things are just different :)
You might want to consider dropping that cluster feed at this age. He'll likely end up taking more at the bedtime feed and sleep longer after that.
With the 3 waking, some kids will go back and forth for a while with feeds--their little bodies are changing a lot. You could try to have him hold out until 5:30 (offer a pacifier etc) and he'll likely get more into the habit of waking then--but time alone will likely extend out the feeds on their own.
With the dreamfeed, you need to decide if you like the idea of it and if baby is responding well. You could try to wake baby more at the df and see how that goes. dropping cluster feeding may help with that too. If you decide you'd rather not do it and keep that night feeding for longer then that is fine. I think either method is fine.
Hi Rachel,
ReplyDeleteI have a 7wk old breast fed baby & I'm trying to get him down earlier b/c I think he's just ready to go to bed. After his last feed he's sleeping 6-7 hrs but I would like to try the df to see if I could put him down earlier & stretch the night out so he's not waking until 6ish. Do you think I would benefit from this? And, should I try a bottle at the df instead of my breast? I attempted to df last night but I couldn't get him to latch on. Thoughts...?
Momof2,
DeleteYes, you certainly might benefit. You'll need to give it several nights for sure to see if it works or doesn't work--some kids end up doing worse with it. Breastfeeding would be easier, so I'd see if you can get him to wake up a bit more and take a full feed then. If you can't, then go ahead and give a bottle--I had to with my oldest.
Good luck,
Rachel
Hi!
ReplyDeleteMy 10 week old who has slept through the night since about 6 weeks ( usually 9-10 hours) with no dream feed has woken up the last two nights for a feed. once it was at 4:15 then last night 3:15. she goes right to sleep after. I also Custer feed at night. the afternoons actually have 4 feedings before her bedtime at 8 ( nurse every 2-2.5 hours) . I was thinking of trying to bring in a dream feed, which I tried once before when she did this and it didn't work. if I bring in a dream feed I was thinking of dropping one of her feedings. is it just a growth spurt? she is usually in the 50% for weight so she isn't a big baby by any means. what do you suggest?
JenRussell,
DeleteMy guess is that she'll drop the feed again soon. Consider moving bedtime a bit earlier and looking over the setting the stage for good sleep post. You can also try to extend out the feed or feed a bit less and it may drop easily that way if it's turned into a bit of a habit by now.
best,
Rachel
Hi Rachel. Thanks so much for your very useful website!
ReplyDeleteI've been doing a dreamfeed with my now 14 week old daughter for about 3 weeks. I was giving it about 10/11, and it led her to only wake up once to be fed in the night-usually around 3.30/4. She'd then wake up around 7, feed, have a nap for an hour or so, then be ready to start her day. We were all very happy with this!
The last couple of nights however, I've wanted a bit of an earlier night so have gone to bed around 10 and set my alarm for the dreamfeed- but not woken up! Instead, I've woken when my daughter has (around 1ish), fed her (more quickly to full than the dreamfeed as clearly she's woken due to hunger), and then she's slept until 7.30-8. This has also worked very well! However, I wondered if you can think of any advantages/disadvantages to me sticking to the latter rather than reverting to the dreamfeed. Any advice would be very much appreciated. Thanks!
Hi Hi Rachel,
ReplyDeleteMy almost 15 weeks old started gloriously sleeping 5-7 hour stretches at 2 months.... But for only about a week, and then has never done it again. She will every once in a great while, randomly surprise me and sleep 5-7 hours one night, but for the most part wakes 2-3 times at night to feed. She is more than double her birth weight, around 15lbs. She used to go to bed around 9:30-10:00pm, but she was getting so fussy it was hard to get her to eat and it was traumatic for us both haha! So the past two nights, I have moved her bed time way up to 8:00 or 8:30, and she nurses very peacefully and goes to sleep. The first night, she fed for 30 min and was out and woke up at 11:30 and 4:20 to feed. The. Second night, she didnt get much of a catnap and was overstimulated so she fed for an hour and did not got to sleep right away, and woke up at 11:15 and 3:15 to feed. My question is, should I keep on doing what we are doing and see if she will naturally put together a long stretch with the new earlier bedtime? Or should I attempt a dream feed? And why if she feeds for an hour, can't make it any longer than the night she fed for a half hour? Thanks for your advice, your site is great!
Hi Thanks for the great site! I recently (just this last week) transitioned my 8 month breastfed co-sleeping baby to the crib using the sleep lady shuffle method (acting we did an extended even gentler modified approach.) Prior to training he was nursing 8-10 times a night and now I dream feed 3 times per night so that I can be sure he has a full belly since he is used to eating so frequently (even thought he was just comfort nursing). Which dreamfeed should I drop first- the 1am or 4:30 feed? and should I go cold turkey? Im actually just as exhausted getting up and going to the nursery 3 times a night as I was co-sleeping and nursing 8 times a night! I want to do this as smoothly as possible for my little guy so he doesnt have blood sugar spikes that wake him up. Thanks
ReplyDeleteMy 8-1/2 mo son has been going down OK at 6:30, then waking up at around 10, when we'd pull him into bed. Thereafter, he'd wake approximately every 3 hours, but it was hardly noticeable since he would be in bed. I'd like for him to sleep longer, and preferably in his crib. Since he's already 8-1/2 mo, it seems like the dream feed may not be recommended. Any thoughts? Thanks very much!
ReplyDeleteMy 12 week old typically gets 5 daytime bottles (last two are typically 6p and 9p) and she also is typically awake & fussy during those two feeds. Asleep after the 9p around 1030 or so and wakes once between 3-5 am. Last night, however, she fell asleep after the 6pm bottle and was STILL asleep at 9pm, so we woke her at 930 for a dream feed, hoping she will still make it to 3-5am. NOPE! She woke at 2 am AND 6am! So my question is...if she continues to fall asleep after the 6/7pm bottle...do we continue with dream feeds and hope she sleeps longer or just let her wake on her own?
ReplyDeleteThat'll be great for you if she starts to fall asleep earlier The DF is really up to you. I' haven't done it with my last two, I prefer not to. But some people really prefer getting that feed in before they go to bed so they don't have to wake at night. You can try the df out for a few more nights if you're really keen on it to see if it starts working out again, or if you don't care for it, no need to have it.
Deletebest,
rachel
I just found your website today and have been reading all day! We are kind of a mess over here. I'm a new mom of a 5 week old. He eats about every 3 hrs, 3-4 oz of formula. We have a bedtime routine and he's usually falling asleep around 9 only to wake up in about 3 hrs to eat. All night long. I would really like to get him to start sleeping longer at night but I don't know where to start exactly. I've tried making him wait longer for the next feeding and it usually results in a very worked up boy. He also won't fall asleep unless he's being held and has to sleep in a swing. Any advice for a tired new mom? Thanks!
ReplyDeleteHello,
ReplyDeletePlease help! My baby is 8 weeks 1 day. He goes to bed at 7pm every night whichout much of a fuss (he has been great like this from the beginning) but wakes up between 1 & 2am. We feed him change his happy and he goes straight back down and sleeps till about 5am which then we feed again and he normally goes back to sleep but takes longer than when he wakes between the 1/2am feed. We try and always start our day at 7am so he also has a bottle around that time but will often not finish it as he has had one at 5am.
He is a full formula feed baby. What should I do to try and get him to sleep longer and get past 5am. Do I introuduce the DF? During the day he feeds about every 4hrs.
Thank you
My 12 week old is cluster feeding from about 4:30pm to 7:30pm. The last feed is very small- seems like it just soothes her because she is super tired and ready to sleep. She is usually asleep by 8pm. Due to reflux issues, I need to hold her upright after every feed (usually over and hour after solid meals). She also HAS to be burped after big feedings, but sometimes sleeps right through it. She is sleeping from about 8pm- 3/3:30am (sometimes fussing around 12:30/1am, but satiated with pacifier or back rubs. She eats a big meal at 3/3:30am and then I have to hold her upright until 4:30/5am. It is killing my back and sleep. She wakes up around 6/6:30 for her morning feed before 8/8:30am nap.
ReplyDeleteI started pumping at 9:30pm when she dropped that feed on her own by sleeping through it. I would LOVE to feed her at 10pm and have her sleep through to 6/6:30 if possible. I would even take 5:30 if she can only go 7 1/2 hours (she is a smaller baby - about 11 1/2 lbs- and may not be able to go longer).
Just to note, CIO probably won't work because I have a 2 1/2 year old who will wake up and my husband needs to sleep to survive the work day!
Thanks for your help.
Hi Rachel,
ReplyDeleteHoping you receive this. I noticed you haven't posted in a while. I was hoping to get your advice. I have a 8 week old who sleeps approx. 6 hours his first block of sleep . Bedtime is 6 ish and he's usually asleep till 12. Then goes down again till 2 ish. From 2 on, he's up every hour until 6 am. I'm very happy with the 6 hour stretch, but getting up hourly is brutal. Any thoughts?!
ashley,
DeleteIt's hard to know exactly what is going on. Some babies have a fussy times at this hour, some babies have reflux that flairs up then, some babies simply have a hard time sleeping well the second hour of the night until they learn to put themselves back to sleep really well. I would consider using a swing or something at this time to see if it'll sooth him enough to help him sleep (and so you can get some sleep too!)
best!
rachel
My breastfed LO is 4 mo next week (but was born two weeks early). We've come a long way with extending naps, learning about wake times, and getting more rest at night.. a lot of it thanks to you :) I've read and read (promise!) - but of course I still have questions. I understand I need to be flexible and things are not always going to work out perfectly. He's a happy healthy baby and my whole world but this inconsistency is rough at times
ReplyDeleteHere is his "typical" EWS schedule: Still playing with late morning and afternoon wake times. The early morning wake time has been consistent.
E 7:30am (I usually wake him)
S 8:30am (for ~1-2 hours usually - this is just now becoming more consistent)
E 10:30am
S (waketime ~80 minutes, sleeps for 1-2 hours)
E 1:30pm
S (waketime ~80 minutes, sleeps for ~30-45 minutes - still playing around with this wake time)
E 4:00ish
S (this nap/catnap is hit or miss)
E 6:00ish
Bedtime routine; he's usually getting cranky/tired by 7ish
E 7-7:30ish (husband gives him a bottle of expressed milk); I pump after this
S usually by 7:30-8pm
I chose 7:30am to wake for the day 1)because his bedtime is around 7:30 and 2) so I can bf him before I leave for work.
I have tried a dreamfeed only a few times in the past but it only seems to wake him more frequently during the night. I stopped. Honestly, I'd rather have a 4am feeding vs staying up for a dreamfeed. Do you think I should make his bedtime earlier and then wake him for one more feed before nighttime sleep (like the BW schedule for 11-16 weeks)? OR Make his bedtime earlier and try the dreamfeed again?
He was sleeping about 11-12 hours total at night with one feeding around 4-5 (and usually not very interested in the 7:30 am feeding). For the past couple days he has woken up about 2-3 times during the night. (He has already hit his 3 mo growth spurt.) The first night I fed him thinking he was hungry but was not. I was then suspecting the "4 month regression" so the second night I let him stir then went in to rock/paci when he was getting fussy.. He fell back asleep but woke at 6am and I fed him a full feeding. His wake time is about 7:30am usually.. so I woke him at 8:00am. He was not interested when I tried to feed him at 8:00.
How do you know when he's ready for the 3.5 hour schedule? I feel like we just recently started the 3 hour schedule and need to get naps and night time sleep more consistent first.
I really appreciate your help. We all do!
My son is almost 5 months old, and we have never done the dreamfeed. I tried when he was still a newborn, but he wouldn't wake up enough to feed. He slept 12 hours through the night from 6-12 weeks (he is large for his age) and then his sleep has gotten worse since then to the point for the past 2 weeks he has been waking 3-5x in the early morning hours from 4-7am. He usually sleeps from bedtime (6:30-7pm) until 3 or 4 am when I feed him. After that feed though I have to continually put in his soother to get him to go back to sleep, but then he will often wake up 20-45 minutes later, until I get him up for the day at 7am. I know he is dependent on his soother but I don't want to sleep train until he is closer to 6 months. He's not super hungry at 7am, since he usually just ate at 3/4am. Should I bother trying the dreamfeed at this age in hopes it eliminates the early wakings? I'm just not sure what is causing the wakings now. He's on a 4 hr EASY schedule during the day and sleeps around 4-4.5 hours total over 3 naps. Thanks for any help you can give!!!
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